Get rid of everyone with an R or a D behind their name.

I do not intend to discourage those who are seeking to enforce the eligibility issue. There are MANY constitutional problems that could be fought today. Do we have the resources to launch such endeavors? Time is short, so the most important matters of freedom must be prioritized. To me, the true nature and character of the union is THE most important, because all constitutional constructions and applications follow from that crux.

As for “precedents”, I believe there even a more important right now. That is, returning the powers of sovereignty back to those in whom it belongs. This is truly revolutionary.

I happen to be of the opinion that the eligibility issue is not the one that will return freedom to our country. If you believe differently, I respect that opinion. The purpose of the “natural born” requirement has its reasoning based in natural law. I agree with its purpose. However, looking at the past and current events in America, I believe that most of those in Washington DC would be disqualified to be our agents under this same purpose. Does it matter if they natural born or not when they share the same philosophy?
The practical answer is, no.

Admittedly, they all have philosophies contrary to what natural-born citizens should have for America. Our current plight proves this. They are globalists, loyal to no country, but only to themselves. McCain had the similar eligibility requirement issues as Obama. Would “freedom lovers” be raising the issue against him? Unlikely. Yet, he is one of the biggest proponents for amnesty and effectively open borders, etc., which are serious national security issues. Obama and he agree on these policies.

When one believes that the federal government system is corrupted and illegitimate, it certainly changes one’s priority in tactics of instituting freedom in government. Trying to play within their own system (even by the constitution) does little to nothing to advance freedom when they control the system itself.

(not the Neil above)

I agree with your thesis that replacing Obama with Biden (or any other candidate) would not change a thing. You do say that “most certainly the constitution should be followed, and we the people of the states and the state governments should insist on it. No one believes that more than I.”

I am disappointed that you did not address the issue of who is a “natural born citizen” and why this requirement was placed only on the office of President. As I understand the reason for the requirement then it is important that Obama be removed from office. A precedent should not be established that the presidential eligibility clause may be ignored.

My understanding is this: The founding fathers were concerned that the President, who would also be Commander-in-Chief, would be someone who is completely loyal to the United States, and free of foreign allegiances and influences.

As Leo Donofrio, one of the attorneys who brought a suit challenging Obama’s eligibility, put it, it is a question on national security.

But who is a natural born citizen? The definition is not found in the constitution, and has to be found elsewhere. I have read the arguments, and have noted that different analyses come to different conclusions. The analysis that makes the most sense to me is the one that concludes that a natural born citizen is one who is born on U.S. soil to parents who are both U.S. citizens. (In fact this definition is cited in Minor v. Happersett and agrees with the definition in Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”. I recognize that this definition is not binding, and a court has yet to rule on the definition of natural born citizen.)

Of course this not a foolproof way of assuring that a child so born would grow up to be completely loyal to the United States, but you could not claim that a child born to a parent who is a citizen of foreign country would be completely free of foreign influences.

That is President Obama’s birth status. He was born to a Kenyan father who was a British citizen, and therefore by British law President Obama was a British citizen at birth.

So, is a person who is a British citizen at birth even if born on U.S soil, a natural born citizen, and eligible to be President?

Your approach is academically and formally correct, but practically and substantively deficient. Believe it or not, our freedom will begin to return when patriots begin to simply publicly sucker punch the more egregious tyrants. A little jail time for freedom? Nothing deters bullies more than the pain of a broken nose, missing tooth, and a black eye. Let’s stop talking ourselves to death in ivory towers, and get a pair.

Ernest
http://elect.ernesthuberforcongress.com/

Regarding the Obama birth certificate: He has produced a certificate of live birth. There is NO legal requirement to further that announcement by “registering” the live birth with Social Security as is done now. Certificate of live birth registration and the accompanying number assigned to it, has only been in effect for about the last 25 years as they attempt to track birth to death of every one.

While these numbers appear to come from the SS administration, they are in fact issued by and from the IMF which established the birth to death tracking system. Registering the birth certificate of your child efffectively renders them a trust of the corporation (THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA), identified by the registry of certification.

This may seem a small point to you but, I also have only a certificate of live birth and have never allowed that certificate to be registered or a IMF registry number assigned to it. My birth certificate exists as the old reverse negative where the hand writing on it, showing the actual signature of the doctor,and my parents is evident.

My certificate also has the seal of the state I was born in, and any attempts to force me to “register” into the IMF system have been successfully defended using that seal as a defense and retaining my existence as a sovereign individual rather than a corporate trust wherein I would not be recognized as existing except by numerical designation.

Using your rationale that Obama has not produced enough documentation, or documentation you yourself would produce as a result of being entered into the registry system at the IMF, might need to be re-examined.

MJO

I believe that when a government deteriorates like a house suffering from severe termite infestation, dry rot, mold and mildew, decayed foundation and structural collapse it is not a good candidate for repair. Sometimes it’s just necessary to doze it down and start anew.

The sand in our political foundation is visible everywhere and the bedrock is nowhere to be seen. We have transformed a great country that was founded upon strong moral principles from God and substituted man’s pitiful attempt to glorify himself. The outcome was very predictable.

Are you advocating that our federal government is legitimate? Are you advocating that the federal government did not and has not violently overthrown our constitution and its founding principles? Are you advocating that right comes by conquest? Are you advocating that natural rights which come from God are not worth fighting and dying for? Are you advocating that we do not have the right of self-defense, self-preservation politically, individually, or familially?

Freedom is preserved by principles. Principles are formed by truth. Truth is created by God. We have a duty to God, our family, ourselves, our posterity, and our ancestors to accomplish, perpetuate and and maintain the principles of truth that create freedom. How that is done is up to those who are attempting to and who are enslaving us and who are preventing truth and freedom throughout our states.

What’s been going on since that time is the following. State sovereignty-ignorant voters have been electing lawmakers to both the state legislatures and the federal senate who are as state sovereignty-impaired as the voters are. Consequently, these lawmakers have not been doing their jobs to protect state sovereignty by protecting citizens from illegal federal taxes and unconstitutional federal government interference in their lives as evidenced by illegal Obamacare, for example.

The following link should help give people an idea how state sovereignty-ignorant voters have shot themselves in the foot with big, corrupt federal government, IMO, as a consequence of the ill-conceived, anti-state sovereignty 16th and 17th Amendments.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=199792

regards,
Snooky

Thank you for your comments. Freedom-lovers are all in this together now.

If fraud was perpetrated against the citizens of America then the position for both the president and vice president should have to go through another election process. The transfer of power should be voided to prevent further abuse. Putting our government and our nation on notice. If honest citizens and elected officials will not stand up and demand authentication of eligibility to the highest office in our nation, then how can we demand they adhere to the Constitution? There is no moral compass. By allowing a possible usurper to govern our nation and conduct our nation’s business throughout the world is disgraceful and an abomination. Every person connected to the vetting process of this past presidental election should also be investigated for collusion. Character and integrity is severly lacking in government and it is demonstrated daily to our national disgrace.

When will Americans wake up and demand honesty and integrity in the face of evil? Things will never change unless “we the people” take our citizenship seriously and challenge the activities in Washington and within our own individual states. They do things their way because they know they can get away with it. They are bold because they are not restrained by moral ethics, the Constitution or the people. Proverbs 29:2 states that “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. The choices made at election time reflect the people themselves.

Thank you Mr. Baldwin for your insight and valuable articles.