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		<title>By: Timothy_Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://libertydefenseleague.com/2009/12/05/our-dead-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy_Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Allen, while your points are well taken and valid, to say that a man-made document equates to the Word of God is comparing apples to ants. God&#039;s Word in fact lives forever. It is the power of life and death. It is both mercy and grace, judgment and righteousness, and all men are judged thereby. It creates the very principles that formed the jurisprudence that many of us in America still hold dear. However, a constitution designed for a specific purpose can be destructive to these ends. Our very declaration of independence confirms this, as do our enlightenment and American forefathers. Madison himself admits that a constitution is a &quot;mere parchment&quot; without more ways to control government: that is, through the people AND through state governments. Where a constitution is ignored, those sovereign bodies-politic that have the power to make and unmake constitution have the power to free itself from its worthless protections, if they deem appropriate.

So while we who love freedom do not believe principles die, we certainly would admit that the constitution&#039;s effect can be lost where those we elect to uphold it ignore their oath to God to do the same, the original intent and meaning of the &quot;mere parchment&quot; notwithstanding. These are truths confirmed in Scripture, Laws of Nature, Juris-counsels, Philosophers and the great thinkers who shaped American ideals. To say that the constitution is &quot;authoritative&quot; is a misnomer: it is rather principles of truth and freedom that are authoritative. The constitution is no more authoritative than is a contract entered into between two parties where one party has ignored his obligations under the contract. Does that contract bind the other to observe his obligations? The non-breaching party has the power to ignore this obligation under the breached contract and to seek damages or simply move on. The contract might as well be used as kindling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Allen, while your points are well taken and valid, to say that a man-made document equates to the Word of God is comparing apples to ants. God&#8217;s Word in fact lives forever. It is the power of life and death. It is both mercy and grace, judgment and righteousness, and all men are judged thereby. It creates the very principles that formed the jurisprudence that many of us in America still hold dear. However, a constitution designed for a specific purpose can be destructive to these ends. Our very declaration of independence confirms this, as do our enlightenment and American forefathers. Madison himself admits that a constitution is a &#8220;mere parchment&#8221; without more ways to control government: that is, through the people AND through state governments. Where a constitution is ignored, those sovereign bodies-politic that have the power to make and unmake constitution have the power to free itself from its worthless protections, if they deem appropriate.</p>
<p>So while we who love freedom do not believe principles die, we certainly would admit that the constitution&#8217;s effect can be lost where those we elect to uphold it ignore their oath to God to do the same, the original intent and meaning of the &#8220;mere parchment&#8221; notwithstanding. These are truths confirmed in Scripture, Laws of Nature, Juris-counsels, Philosophers and the great thinkers who shaped American ideals. To say that the constitution is &#8220;authoritative&#8221; is a misnomer: it is rather principles of truth and freedom that are authoritative. The constitution is no more authoritative than is a contract entered into between two parties where one party has ignored his obligations under the contract. Does that contract bind the other to observe his obligations? The non-breaching party has the power to ignore this obligation under the breached contract and to seek damages or simply move on. The contract might as well be used as kindling.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Fred Miller and Tim:

Fred Miller raises a very important Question. If we say our Constitution is dead, what will replace it?  A convention of the states would come up with a compact significantly different from what we have.  Since few people understand the importance of Federalism or separation of powers, and since people have become accustomed to so many special benefits from the central government (highway funds, social security, education benefits, Medicaid reimbursement, Unemployment Insurance) they are not likely to frame the same kind of government defined in our existing constitution.

Few states have the wherewithal to exist without a larger alliance.  Texas is almost self sufficient and has a large seacoast. It has large expanses of agricultural land, water resources, iron ore, coal, oil, natural gas and other resources.  It could exist without another central government.

Inland states, like Montana, North and South Dakota, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico would have a problem.  They have no access to the sea, and thus no ability to carry on trade with the outside world.  Other states that line the Mississippi River would have to agree about passage through their states.  Where the river forms the division between states, there is potential for dispute as to who owns what part of the river.  Finally, whoever controls the seaport is in the position to exact huge tribute in order to permit passage through the port to the inland states.

I would rather take the position that our present constitution contemplated those problems and is adequate to address them.  I think it is more productive to say that we don&#039;t have a dead constitution any more than we have a dead Bible.  What we have are people who intentionally misinterpret it or say it is irrelevant to address modern challenges.  Both documents still live.  They are fixed and they are certain.  They stand in judgment of those who would violate them.  They are still authoritative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Fred Miller and Tim:</p>
<p>Fred Miller raises a very important Question. If we say our Constitution is dead, what will replace it?  A convention of the states would come up with a compact significantly different from what we have.  Since few people understand the importance of Federalism or separation of powers, and since people have become accustomed to so many special benefits from the central government (highway funds, social security, education benefits, Medicaid reimbursement, Unemployment Insurance) they are not likely to frame the same kind of government defined in our existing constitution.</p>
<p>Few states have the wherewithal to exist without a larger alliance.  Texas is almost self sufficient and has a large seacoast. It has large expanses of agricultural land, water resources, iron ore, coal, oil, natural gas and other resources.  It could exist without another central government.</p>
<p>Inland states, like Montana, North and South Dakota, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico would have a problem.  They have no access to the sea, and thus no ability to carry on trade with the outside world.  Other states that line the Mississippi River would have to agree about passage through their states.  Where the river forms the division between states, there is potential for dispute as to who owns what part of the river.  Finally, whoever controls the seaport is in the position to exact huge tribute in order to permit passage through the port to the inland states.</p>
<p>I would rather take the position that our present constitution contemplated those problems and is adequate to address them.  I think it is more productive to say that we don&#8217;t have a dead constitution any more than we have a dead Bible.  What we have are people who intentionally misinterpret it or say it is irrelevant to address modern challenges.  Both documents still live.  They are fixed and they are certain.  They stand in judgment of those who would violate them.  They are still authoritative.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Baldwin,

What Killed the Constitution?  The Constitution was written by people of the 17th and 18th century, that was the age of Reason.  In other words, the Constitution was a reflection of reasonable men, White men at that!

Then along came Georg Hegel and invented a new form of Logic overthrowing the ancient Aristitotelian  logic. Compare Hegel to a modern day computer hacker writing a virus to destroy computers, Hegel is a destroyer of the human mind; today, people cannot think correctly because of the Hegelian Dialectic that permeates our culture. It is called the &quot;third way&quot;, meaning  you have truth, you have error, and you have the blend of truth and error, the &quot;Third Way&quot;.

As such, the Constitution does not reflect the Hegel Dialectic.  The Hegelian dialectic has produce a corpus of immoral people and this corpus needs it own constitution. The constitution of 1787 is a reproach to us today and cannot be tolerated. As I see it, the present constitution has its remedy for this, its called the Constitutional Convention Clause. Just as the Constitutional Convention of 1787 rode roughshod over the Articles of Confederation, Today&#039;s convention will do the the same.

We are just two states away from doing it, too. Ohio and Virgina are all that are needed to forming a new Constitution!  Can you imagine what the likes of today&#039;s people could come up with?

But, then, what killed the Constitution? I have a birth certificate, a driver&#039;s license, a marriage license,a family court destroyed my family, a social security number, I was impressed into the military, men are still required to register for the draft,(Why aren&#039;t women required to register?) I have to pay property tax, pay income tax, and I go to a 501(C)3 governmental church to give thanks for my liberties. And I practice all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, and you ask what killed the Constitution?

The talk of states seceding from the union is a joke. Would the Texans who seceded from the union still get their Social Security Benefits? Ha, Ha, Ha! As that old womanizer, Ben Franklin, said, &quot;Those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither&quot;.

Fred Miller</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Baldwin,</p>
<p>What Killed the Constitution?  The Constitution was written by people of the 17th and 18th century, that was the age of Reason.  In other words, the Constitution was a reflection of reasonable men, White men at that!</p>
<p>Then along came Georg Hegel and invented a new form of Logic overthrowing the ancient Aristitotelian  logic. Compare Hegel to a modern day computer hacker writing a virus to destroy computers, Hegel is a destroyer of the human mind; today, people cannot think correctly because of the Hegelian Dialectic that permeates our culture. It is called the &#8220;third way&#8221;, meaning  you have truth, you have error, and you have the blend of truth and error, the &#8220;Third Way&#8221;.</p>
<p>As such, the Constitution does not reflect the Hegel Dialectic.  The Hegelian dialectic has produce a corpus of immoral people and this corpus needs it own constitution. The constitution of 1787 is a reproach to us today and cannot be tolerated. As I see it, the present constitution has its remedy for this, its called the Constitutional Convention Clause. Just as the Constitutional Convention of 1787 rode roughshod over the Articles of Confederation, Today&#8217;s convention will do the the same.</p>
<p>We are just two states away from doing it, too. Ohio and Virgina are all that are needed to forming a new Constitution!  Can you imagine what the likes of today&#8217;s people could come up with?</p>
<p>But, then, what killed the Constitution? I have a birth certificate, a driver&#8217;s license, a marriage license,a family court destroyed my family, a social security number, I was impressed into the military, men are still required to register for the draft,(Why aren&#8217;t women required to register?) I have to pay property tax, pay income tax, and I go to a 501(C)3 governmental church to give thanks for my liberties. And I practice all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, and you ask what killed the Constitution?</p>
<p>The talk of states seceding from the union is a joke. Would the Texans who seceded from the union still get their Social Security Benefits? Ha, Ha, Ha! As that old womanizer, Ben Franklin, said, &#8220;Those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither&#8221;.</p>
<p>Fred Miller</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Stramer</title>
		<link>http://libertydefenseleague.com/2009/12/05/our-dead-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Stramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met your dad in Hamilton Montana at the conservative rally on November third. I must say you didn&#039;t fall far from the tree.

Putting teeth into the law by the Jury system is the way to go at this in a peaceful manor.
See some posts here that back this up.

http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/in-conservative-circles-calls-for.html

http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/update-on-montana-grand-jury.html

http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html

For more on Jurors rights:
http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html

For more on Grand Juries:
http://americangrandjury.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met your dad in Hamilton Montana at the conservative rally on November third. I must say you didn&#8217;t fall far from the tree.</p>
<p>Putting teeth into the law by the Jury system is the way to go at this in a peaceful manor.<br />
See some posts here that back this up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/in-conservative-circles-calls-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/in-conservative-circles-calls-for.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/update-on-montana-grand-jury.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/update-on-montana-grand-jury.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html</a></p>
<p>For more on Jurors rights:<br />
<a href="http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulstramer.net/2009/12/grand-jury-solution-to-government.html</a></p>
<p>For more on Grand Juries:<br />
<a href="http://americangrandjury.org/" rel="nofollow">http://americangrandjury.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: sleep apnea hypopnea</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleep apnea hypopnea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that you&#039;ve put a good amount of effort into your article and I want a lot more of these on the web these days. I truly got a kick out of your post. I do not have a bunch to to say in response, I only wanted to register to say marvellous work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that you&#8217;ve put a good amount of effort into your article and I want a lot more of these on the web these days. I truly got a kick out of your post. I do not have a bunch to to say in response, I only wanted to register to say marvellous work.</p>
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		<title>By: What Is The U.S. Constitution?&#160;&#124;&#160;Florida Tenth Amendment Center</title>
		<link>http://libertydefenseleague.com/2009/12/05/our-dead-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>What Is The U.S. Constitution?&#160;&#124;&#160;Florida Tenth Amendment Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my latest article, Our Dead Constitution, was released, I received much response, many from those who understood and agreed, and some by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my latest article, Our Dead Constitution, was released, I received much response, many from those who understood and agreed, and some by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy_Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://libertydefenseleague.com/2009/12/05/our-dead-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy_Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Individuals must insist that their state legislators and governors do what they are supposed to do in the fact of federal usurpation. If your state agents do nothing, either vote them out, or initiate citizen referendums. See my other articles on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Individuals must insist that their state legislators and governors do what they are supposed to do in the fact of federal usurpation. If your state agents do nothing, either vote them out, or initiate citizen referendums. See my other articles on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

Good men and women do not stand by and do nothing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” &#8211; Barry Goldwater</p>
<p>Good men and women do not stand by and do nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
I wholeheartedly agree! But aside from informing my friends and neighbors  about our Constitutional guarantees that have been ripped from our fingers and writing to my state representatives until I&#039;m blue in the face, what can an individual do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
I wholeheartedly agree! But aside from informing my friends and neighbors  about our Constitutional guarantees that have been ripped from our fingers and writing to my state representatives until I&#8217;m blue in the face, what can an individual do?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Croucher</title>
		<link>http://libertydefenseleague.com/2009/12/05/our-dead-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Croucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyrrany advances while good men and women stand bye and do nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyrrany advances while good men and women stand bye and do nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. I have been harping on similar issues for a few years and people think I am some kind of radical because I believe in standing up for my rights. It goes to show you how far gone this country really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I have been harping on similar issues for a few years and people think I am some kind of radical because I believe in standing up for my rights. It goes to show you how far gone this country really is.</p>
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