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		<title>By: Roy Dahlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Dahlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think the Heller, Heller v. D.C., decision was wrong?  The case decided that a D.C. resident has the right to the 2d amend.  Now today the S.Ct. is deciding if in fact the fed. Bill of Rights apply to the indiv. w/in the several states in the McDonald case from ORD, Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the Heller, Heller v. D.C., decision was wrong?  The case decided that a D.C. resident has the right to the 2d amend.  Now today the S.Ct. is deciding if in fact the fed. Bill of Rights apply to the indiv. w/in the several states in the McDonald case from ORD, Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: OneMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO!  CON-CON!  Instead, this:

&quot;It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!&quot;

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO!  CON-CON!  Instead, this:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace&#8211; but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!&#8221;</p>
<p>Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy_Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy_Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph, you cannot force people to wake up. They have to make that decision themselves. If they think they are free, then they have become slaves to the Matrix created by those who would control us and those who do not even know the system they advocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, you cannot force people to wake up. They have to make that decision themselves. If they think they are free, then they have become slaves to the Matrix created by those who would control us and those who do not even know the system they advocate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Americans still believe we have adequate freedom, and that what resstrictions we experience now are for our own good (protection against terrorism and other enemies, to stimulate the economy, health, etc.)  I find it very difficult to explain these freedom losses to most people I encounter.  They just don&#039;t believe that we have been losing freedoms. 

I am especially aware of the diminishing freedom to spend our income as we choose, and to control that property that is taxed away from us and given as welfare and foreign aid, regardless of what we might think of the recipients entitlement to it.  I also note the diminishing 2nd Amendment right, loss of the freedom to speak out against activities I consider immoral, diminishing freedom to influence the education of our children, and loss of access to certain medical remedies, especially homeopathic remedies, that are &quot;unapproved&quot; by certain FedGov agencies
 
What losses have you folks noticed and/or been affected by?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Americans still believe we have adequate freedom, and that what resstrictions we experience now are for our own good (protection against terrorism and other enemies, to stimulate the economy, health, etc.)  I find it very difficult to explain these freedom losses to most people I encounter.  They just don&#8217;t believe that we have been losing freedoms. </p>
<p>I am especially aware of the diminishing freedom to spend our income as we choose, and to control that property that is taxed away from us and given as welfare and foreign aid, regardless of what we might think of the recipients entitlement to it.  I also note the diminishing 2nd Amendment right, loss of the freedom to speak out against activities I consider immoral, diminishing freedom to influence the education of our children, and loss of access to certain medical remedies, especially homeopathic remedies, that are &#8220;unapproved&#8221; by certain FedGov agencies</p>
<p>What losses have you folks noticed and/or been affected by?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I am doing that, as I am able - including having sent links to your excellent articles to my State legislators.

One thing your webmaster should know is that as of yesterday, a Google search no longer came up with your website (even the exact name). It should be at the top (as it was in a search a few days prior).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I am doing that, as I am able &#8211; including having sent links to your excellent articles to my State legislators.</p>
<p>One thing your webmaster should know is that as of yesterday, a Google search no longer came up with your website (even the exact name). It should be at the top (as it was in a search a few days prior).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy_Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy_Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Henry,

Thank you for your comments. I intend on spreading the truth of this matter as long as God gives me the ability. Please help me by spreading this website to your contacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Henry,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. I intend on spreading the truth of this matter as long as God gives me the ability. Please help me by spreading this website to your contacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DiLorenzo misspoke. The two-volume set is by _W._ Kirk Wood, entitled Nullification, A Constitutional History, 1776-1833. It was published in April 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiLorenzo misspoke. The two-volume set is by _W._ Kirk Wood, entitled Nullification, A Constitutional History, 1776-1833. It was published in April 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO CON-CON  For the facts about the current status of a &quot;con-con&quot; as well as why it is not a prudent action (though Tim already discussed this better in less words), see this article: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/1241 . This holds more weight seeing that the JBS (TNA is their flagship publication, with excellent cutting edge research and reporting) has successfully led past fights against a dangerous Constitutional Convention.

ASSERT STATE POWERS  While it is not sufficient, nevertheless returning the federal government to its delegated, enumerated powers IS a workable strategy for today. Prophets in the church declared some years ago that the spiritual battle in the civil arena would be fought on the State level. This has happened. Furthermore, it is a LEGAL and non-violent way to reassert law. And lawfully-ordered freedom (rather than government dictates - Nannystate) is the end we seek in the civil arena. Thereby we can live quiet, peaceable lives in godliness, for which we are commanded to pray.

UNITED WE STAND...  Thirdly, the cut up snake on an early colonial flag has a great lesson for us here. The image speaks to both sides in this war for a vision of civilization. We must now unite, or perish. If we unite, standing on Law before the God of heaven, we will see the babel-builders again confused, the Egyptian powers again overthrown, the Babylon empire builders again crushed from the ground up, the Beast overthrown by we who persevere in faith and worship, trusting God and not our swords to subdue the power of the sword to God-ordained limits.

NULLIFICATION DOCTRINE (LESSER MAGISTRATE)  Tim, in these two columns, along with your re-examination of Marbury, you have given the legal strategy that will work, as applied by each State. &quot;Put your trust in His prophets and succeed.&quot; (2 Chron. 20:20) An excellent free podcast that gives more ammunition is at the Tenth Amendment Center website, &quot;Nullification&quot; by Thomas DiLorenzo - please listen to it, the cases he mentions and the new 2 volume history on the history of nullification by R. Kirk Wood.

LAND OF THE FREE REQUIRES HOME OF THE BRAVE  Tim, keep up the great work. Sound this forth, and let no one distract you from this effectual strategy. Let the rest of us make our State legislators aware of this, and pour effort into getting better State legislators in 2010 and beyond. We can win, and we must. Faith always outlasts oppression, as the book of Revelation shows (the 1st century church outlasting Jewish unbelieving religion and the Roman Beast).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO CON-CON  For the facts about the current status of a &#8220;con-con&#8221; as well as why it is not a prudent action (though Tim already discussed this better in less words), see this article: <a href="http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/1241" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/1241</a> . This holds more weight seeing that the JBS (TNA is their flagship publication, with excellent cutting edge research and reporting) has successfully led past fights against a dangerous Constitutional Convention.</p>
<p>ASSERT STATE POWERS  While it is not sufficient, nevertheless returning the federal government to its delegated, enumerated powers IS a workable strategy for today. Prophets in the church declared some years ago that the spiritual battle in the civil arena would be fought on the State level. This has happened. Furthermore, it is a LEGAL and non-violent way to reassert law. And lawfully-ordered freedom (rather than government dictates &#8211; Nannystate) is the end we seek in the civil arena. Thereby we can live quiet, peaceable lives in godliness, for which we are commanded to pray.</p>
<p>UNITED WE STAND&#8230;  Thirdly, the cut up snake on an early colonial flag has a great lesson for us here. The image speaks to both sides in this war for a vision of civilization. We must now unite, or perish. If we unite, standing on Law before the God of heaven, we will see the babel-builders again confused, the Egyptian powers again overthrown, the Babylon empire builders again crushed from the ground up, the Beast overthrown by we who persevere in faith and worship, trusting God and not our swords to subdue the power of the sword to God-ordained limits.</p>
<p>NULLIFICATION DOCTRINE (LESSER MAGISTRATE)  Tim, in these two columns, along with your re-examination of Marbury, you have given the legal strategy that will work, as applied by each State. &#8220;Put your trust in His prophets and succeed.&#8221; (2 Chron. 20:20) An excellent free podcast that gives more ammunition is at the Tenth Amendment Center website, &#8220;Nullification&#8221; by Thomas DiLorenzo &#8211; please listen to it, the cases he mentions and the new 2 volume history on the history of nullification by R. Kirk Wood.</p>
<p>LAND OF THE FREE REQUIRES HOME OF THE BRAVE  Tim, keep up the great work. Sound this forth, and let no one distract you from this effectual strategy. Let the rest of us make our State legislators aware of this, and pour effort into getting better State legislators in 2010 and beyond. We can win, and we must. Faith always outlasts oppression, as the book of Revelation shows (the 1st century church outlasting Jewish unbelieving religion and the Roman Beast).</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Walker, 

You said, &quot;For example, I have asked several times to come on to your father’s radio program to discuss an Article V Convention. I’ve not even received so much as courtesy of a response. Obviously your father is afraid of the truth which is strange considering that his whole life has been devoted to spreading the gospel, that is to say, speaking the truth.&quot;

I ask, did you ever think that maybe Chuck is not &quot;afraid of the truth&quot;, but is simply applying Proverbs 26:4,5...

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
      Lest you also be like him.
       5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
      Lest he be wise in his own eyes. 

Apparently your ignorant attempts to debate a point that you are missing the overall concept of don&#039;t merit a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Walker, </p>
<p>You said, &#8220;For example, I have asked several times to come on to your father’s radio program to discuss an Article V Convention. I’ve not even received so much as courtesy of a response. Obviously your father is afraid of the truth which is strange considering that his whole life has been devoted to spreading the gospel, that is to say, speaking the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I ask, did you ever think that maybe Chuck is not &#8220;afraid of the truth&#8221;, but is simply applying Proverbs 26:4,5&#8230;</p>
<p>Do not answer a fool according to his folly,<br />
      Lest you also be like him.<br />
       5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves,<br />
      Lest he be wise in his own eyes. </p>
<p>Apparently your ignorant attempts to debate a point that you are missing the overall concept of don&#8217;t merit a response.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy_Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy_Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Walker,

I will let God be the judge of your accusations against me and my father.

Your suggestion that an Article 5 convention is required has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of Federalism (which I am attempting to educate the people about), whereby INDIVIDUAL states can arrest federal tyranny on an individual state level. Your Article 5 suggestion is one of a collective federal effort. Mine is a singular federal effort, in which the principle of SELF-GOVERNMENT applies much more strongly and effectively. Your are comparing apples and oranges.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it is actually impossible for New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, etc. to agree in philosophy, principle, morality, ethics and politics with states such as Montana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Wyoming, etc.? Have you stopped to think that maybe it would actually be better for certain states to live under different constitutions, under a much more federated system? Have you ever stopped to analyze what some of the most influential philosophers, such as Montesquieu, considered to be the only types of conditions in which a Constitutional Republic can exist?

This article, Choosing Federalism, Choosing Freedom, clearly states the different options (as expressed by our founders and forefathers) we the people have in our states respectively. I certainly agree that a Constitutional Convention is an option: I just do not agree that it will produce more freedom. This opinion is based upon the facts I believe to be true. You very clearly believe the facts to be different. So be it.

If 2/3&#039;s of the states want an Article 5 convention, I support their constitutional right to do that. I simply believe that there are serious dangers in doing so (have you not read the constitutional convention debates and notes of 1787 and how a monarchy and purely national/centralized government were actually and strongly proposed by some of the delegates?!), because I do not believe the vast majority of the states believe in the fundamental principles that created our Confederate Republic to begin with. As just an example, there is already a sweeping movement in the states to eliminate the electoral college! This is just another step towards nationalizing our Confederate Republic, just as the states did with the 17th amendment. 

Making the accusation that &quot;not supporting a constitutional convention is equal to &#039;throwing the law&#039; away&quot; is simply ludicrous. And by the same stone that you throw at me, you hit yourself by not supporting the execution of Federalist principles, whereby the INDIVIDUAL states have a role in arresting federal tyranny under the 10th Amendment and you are equally &quot;throwing the law away&quot;. 

In fact, history proves that individual states (under the 10th amendment) have arrested more federal tyranny than any Constitutional Convention ever has since 1787. Please point to ONE constitutional amendment since 1865 that has reduced federal power and increased state power? To the contrary, most amendments have only cemented the Federal government&#039;s usurpation over the states.

You obviously have a difference of opinion than I and those who agree with me. That is your right, and I do not judge you for your opinion. I encourage you to do what you think is right. However, it is apparent that anyone who disagrees with you is your enemy, and again, I will let God and the people judge my and my father&#039;s beliefs and the proposals to restore freedom in this country. 

We who love freedom are all trying to determine the best plan of action with the limited resources and man-power that we have. May God uplift the best plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Walker,</p>
<p>I will let God be the judge of your accusations against me and my father.</p>
<p>Your suggestion that an Article 5 convention is required has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of Federalism (which I am attempting to educate the people about), whereby INDIVIDUAL states can arrest federal tyranny on an individual state level. Your Article 5 suggestion is one of a collective federal effort. Mine is a singular federal effort, in which the principle of SELF-GOVERNMENT applies much more strongly and effectively. Your are comparing apples and oranges.</p>
<p>Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it is actually impossible for New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, etc. to agree in philosophy, principle, morality, ethics and politics with states such as Montana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Wyoming, etc.? Have you stopped to think that maybe it would actually be better for certain states to live under different constitutions, under a much more federated system? Have you ever stopped to analyze what some of the most influential philosophers, such as Montesquieu, considered to be the only types of conditions in which a Constitutional Republic can exist?</p>
<p>This article, Choosing Federalism, Choosing Freedom, clearly states the different options (as expressed by our founders and forefathers) we the people have in our states respectively. I certainly agree that a Constitutional Convention is an option: I just do not agree that it will produce more freedom. This opinion is based upon the facts I believe to be true. You very clearly believe the facts to be different. So be it.</p>
<p>If 2/3&#8217;s of the states want an Article 5 convention, I support their constitutional right to do that. I simply believe that there are serious dangers in doing so (have you not read the constitutional convention debates and notes of 1787 and how a monarchy and purely national/centralized government were actually and strongly proposed by some of the delegates?!), because I do not believe the vast majority of the states believe in the fundamental principles that created our Confederate Republic to begin with. As just an example, there is already a sweeping movement in the states to eliminate the electoral college! This is just another step towards nationalizing our Confederate Republic, just as the states did with the 17th amendment. </p>
<p>Making the accusation that &#8220;not supporting a constitutional convention is equal to &#8216;throwing the law&#8217; away&#8221; is simply ludicrous. And by the same stone that you throw at me, you hit yourself by not supporting the execution of Federalist principles, whereby the INDIVIDUAL states have a role in arresting federal tyranny under the 10th Amendment and you are equally &#8220;throwing the law away&#8221;. </p>
<p>In fact, history proves that individual states (under the 10th amendment) have arrested more federal tyranny than any Constitutional Convention ever has since 1787. Please point to ONE constitutional amendment since 1865 that has reduced federal power and increased state power? To the contrary, most amendments have only cemented the Federal government&#8217;s usurpation over the states.</p>
<p>You obviously have a difference of opinion than I and those who agree with me. That is your right, and I do not judge you for your opinion. I encourage you to do what you think is right. However, it is apparent that anyone who disagrees with you is your enemy, and again, I will let God and the people judge my and my father&#8217;s beliefs and the proposals to restore freedom in this country. </p>
<p>We who love freedom are all trying to determine the best plan of action with the limited resources and man-power that we have. May God uplift the best plan.</p>
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